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Growth often emerges from life’s unexpected and messy middle, a journey that can be both challenging and transformative. Tune in for a compelling conversation with Sheia Gibbs, the accomplished author of the upcoming memoir, “The Process: Walking Through It!!!! When Reality Doesn’t Look Like the Dream.” She shares her inspiring experiences navigating the complexities of family caregiving and entrepreneurial endeavors. Learn how she found clarity and direction amidst life’s unpredictable phases, offering valuable insights for anyone facing their own “messy middle.”

 

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The Journey Through Life’s Messy Middle: Finding Clarity In The Process With Sheia Gibbs

When Reality Doesn’t Look Like The Dream

Welcome back to the show. We had an amazing guest. She’s a return guest for us, Sheia Gibbs. She’s talking all about her new memoir, The Process, Walking Through It. We had so much to talk about, but we only hit the tip of the iceberg in what her book has to share. I started and could not put it down. She has so many sayings, and some of them come from her mother. One of the sayings was, “You better talk to your fool self.” I laughed out loud when I read that. I could completely relate. I’m curious, what does that bring to mind for you in terms of talking to your fool self?

I have to talk to my fool self often. Many times, I’m saying, “Get it together. You say you want X.” Let’s say I’m on a journey to better control my blood sugars. I am pre-diabetic. It’s like, “You say you want to have better blood sugar control, but you want to eat McDonald’s french fries, or you want to have Talenti vanilla caramel ice cream.” We love that.

I have to talk to my fool self, like, “You can’t have that.” I can’t eat like I was 35 anymore. Everything is in moderation. Talking to myself, I say, “Long-term, what I do today impacts tomorrow and a decade from now.” My behavior now, meaning watching my diet and then moving. You talk a lot about not necessarily exercising, but moving.

My goal is to walk twice a day when I can. I walk at the beginning of my day to get my day started off right, even if it’s only for twenty minutes. Also, if the weather permits, I walk at the end of the day to debrief and to let go of stuff. Talking to my fool self helps me move and control what I put in my mouth. What about you, Angela?

I have many conversations with myself about the foolishness that can happen. What I reflect on the most, and I talk about this a lot, is making the decision to make a change in career, the way that I was navigating that career, thinking that doing things differently by doing things either in a large group practice or a smaller group practice, or whether it be OB hospitalists, things were going to change in terms of not getting enough sleep and long hours.

It’s like being the hamster on the wheel and expecting something to change. You keep running on that wheel. For me, it was realizing after taking a break that nothing is going to change. You can go back to a different office or different practice scenario, but the way that you feel after not sleeping for 16 to 24 hours is never going to change.

The one thing that she talks about in her book is that not making a decision to change your situation is actually making a decision. It was a matter of making that decision and then moving forward with it. I am so grateful that I did, but I suppose I had to make the changes and make the foolish decisions that didn’t serve me well to understand what it truly was like being on the other side of that decision and moving forward with it. What comes to mind for me is doing the same thing but expecting a different result. That’s a foolish way to move through life.

As we all do, you had to go through the process. It’s that dirty middle that she talks about.

That is what this whole book is about. It’s so wise. I’ll let you introduce her.

We welcome Sheia Grant Gibbs to the show.

 

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Welcome back to the show. We have another brave woman sharing her bold story. We are lucky to have Sheia Grant Gibbs, who was also our guest on episode number nine. She is going to talk about her newly published or soon-to-be-published book, The Process: Walking Through It When Reality Doesn’t Look Like the Dream. Sheia, welcome to the show.

Thank you so much. What an honor. I’m so grateful to both of you. It’s a pleasure to be back.

The Birth Of A Book: From Journal To Memoir

We are so excited to have you back. One of the reasons we wanted to talk to you is in honor of your new book, which we’ll get into. The title alone is a full mood. The Process, Walking Through It. What I’d want to ask you is, what were you walking through when you wrote this?

Initially, the book started out as a journal. It wasn’t really a book. I started listing things in regards to our future plans and things that we wanted to have happen. During that process, we found out about my mom taking ill with dementia. It became this journal of me putting down my feelings. My mother was the person that I would come to when everything went wrong or exciting. I would go to her.

This was one of those situations where we had a bombshell dropped on us. I realized quickly that she was going through something herself, and I couldn’t rain my feelings on her. Since I’ve always been a journaler, it was something that I started to write down my feelings. That’s initially how it started. It was one of those things where I was putting down all the things because it was happening so fast. I was trying to process what I was going through and still be strong for my mother.

I started reading it, and it does feel like a journal. It’s like a continual process of what’s happening. It was riveting, all the things that you talked about. It is relevant in my life as a daughter of a mother who’s aging, not walking in your path with dementia and Alzheimer’s, but with all the thoughts that could go along with that, and caring for a mother, and you’ve got a child, your spouse, and all of the things. It’s an incredible documentation of what one person’s life has been like, but then all the things that you share with us. I know we’ll get into it, but I champion the book. It is a great read for anyone at any stage in life, just traveling through and navigating. Thank you.

That was very kind. Thank you so much.

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The Process, Walking Through It

Sheia, did you know you wanted to do a memoir when you started writing? How did you have the internal confidence to say, “The things that are happening in my life are important enough to share with the entire world?”

Absolutely not. I kept hearing from clients. They would say things like, “You should write a book.” In the beginning, I would brush it off and laugh. I did think back to when I was younger. For my mom, as a teacher herself in education, that was one of the things that she would berate me for. She would tell me I couldn’t go outside, so I learned how to read.

I struggled with reading and was in a remedial English class, so I never thought about writing a book. It never dawned on me. When I would hear people say that, I thought it was funny. I had this client. His name is Graham. He’s in literature. He said it to me. That was the first time I started to take it seriously because I kept hearing it. That’s when it became a thought.

Many of your chapter titles are questions or bold truths. Why did you choose that structure? I’m assuming, since you wrote it as more of a journal, you came up with the titles after the fact.

It was. Going back to Graham, he’s in literature. When he told me that, that was the first time I had a deep thought about, “I could have a book.” I told him, “The only thing I can think of that I have to say is that I have this journal. Let me give you context because it’s a complete run-on sentence. There’s no punctuation.”

He was like, “I would love to look at it. If you have something, I’ll let you know.” He then told me, “Sheia, it’s very intense, but you have a book.” He is the one who did the initial editing for me before I went to an editing company. I give him all the praise and inspiration. Once he read it, he helped me come up with the titles. I’m like, “That goes perfectly with everything that I’m saying.” It just fits. I loved it.

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Miss Mozelle’s Enduring Legacy: Walking With Spirit

Some of your chapter titles are And so Journey Begins, On a Deeper Level, and Onward and Upwards. When I saw the chapter titles, I could think about our conversations. That made the whole book hit home. Certainly, I always think about your mom. I know you mentioned her in the acknowledgement. How did her spirit walk with you as you wrote your memoir?

She walked with me all the time. The interesting part of it is that I can clearly remember that when I was younger, my mother wasn’t a person who was fun in the sense that she played all the time.

She’s like, “I’m not one of your little friends.”

She was always teaching you lessons. You had to learn how to have fun while she’s teaching you lessons. I remember when I was younger, sometimes it would seem overwhelming because I would always think, “Can we have some downtime?” Now, all those things that she’s taught me are how I live my life. I talk to my brother all the time. This is not just that we miss her, but he’ll say something or I’ll say something that’s like Mom, and we’re constantly saying, “You sound like Mom.” Her presence is here. Even with how I’m raising Grant, being a wife and mother, and even being an instructor, it oozes out of me constantly.

Can you share one of Miss Mozell’s expressions?

Yes. I can tell you two things I’m thinking about. Grant is at the age of transition. He graduated and is in college. Now that I’m in this space, she would tell me, “Home is not in the space that you’re in now. Home is not for comfort. It’s for safety.” I was like, “I don’t understand that.” What she meant by it was, “I’m giving you the opportunity to lock in and stay focused. Get your degree or your certification. While you are here with me to do that, this is the time that you have to not play around. This is not the time for you to come into your own or try to become a full-fledged adult while you are in my house.”

She was letting me know, “You have a limited time, and you need to make the most of it. When you get on your own and can provide for yourself, that’s when you can do all the things that you want to do.” She also used to say to me, and I use this principle a lot, “If their actions are not aligning with their words, don’t believe them.”

That’s a powerful one.

How about that?

I love the Miss Mozell-isms in your book. Tell me a little bit more about, “You better talk to your fool self.” I was laughing out loud when I was reading.

She used to tell me that all the time during the three days of being highly upset with me. She would say, “You need to talk to your fool self.” What I would do when she was calm and we were in a good mood was talk to her. I would say, “Why do you say that?” She would say, “There are times when you need to talk to yourself so that you can debrief and analyze what is going on.”

She’s so right. There have been times when I take baths and I get in that bathtub, and I will download the day or play something out because I know that I didn’t respond the way I needed to respond. I’ll play it out because I know I’m going to repeat that situation, and I want to respond differently. I would talk it through to myself out loud so that I’ll be prepared for when I approach that situation again. That one alone has helped me so much in regard to even controlling my feelings as well.

What a lesson. I received that one. You can either not acknowledge what you’ve done wrong, which a lot of people do because they don’t do the debrief, but you can also try to play through how you would do it differently. That is valuable advice. I have so many things that I took and have written down, but that will be another one.

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That was one of the ones that helped me. I use that one to this day. It’s amazing how I talk to my son, and even in class. I share that with the learners all the time. It helps you so much to play things out from your perspective as well as someone else’s perspective.

Navigating The Fog: Clarity Amidst Life’s Unclear Moments

You write about fog, that unclear, messy middle, and then light, which feels like clarity or divine direction. How did those ideas show up in your journey?

It’s when you are watching someone lose their mind in front of you, and the way that shows up in regard to once you’re having that thought. There’s a situation that’s happening, and you both are experiencing it completely differently. My mother was experiencing it in the form of losing her independence, being in a space where she was completely not used to in regards to being a single mom, and then having to be told, “We have to take the car keys away from you,” or, “Now you’re going to have to stay somewhere else.” There were all these new things, and she had always prided herself on being this independent person.

At the same time, you, as a child, are navigating this space of having to be a caretaker for your parent. I was the youngest. She used to call me Pooh. I love being Pooh. That was my name. I rolled that out. I act like Pooh. As her caretaker, I remember thinking in the beginning that she wasn’t responding to me the way I needed her to.

After talking to my fool self, thinking, “What’s going on here? I need her to respond.” Since she was calling me Pooh, and I was still acting like Pooh, that was the response that I was getting from her. I had to navigate knowing how to reshift to a caretaker so that my mom could respond to me in that way. When business needed to be taken care of or when I needed her to do something, I wasn’t Pooh. I was serious.

When you have those two things running parallel, you go through this fog yourself. She was my person, and now she’s not someone that I can tell these things to, or she can’t give me words of wisdom. I’m having to do those things myself. You start thinking about what kind of principles you can put in place to navigate this space.

One of the things that I did was gratefulness, waking up every morning when I was getting ready and listing out everything I could think of until I ran out of what to be grateful for. That became a way of life. I’m looking at someone losing things. Although I’m experiencing the things that I’m experiencing, God is still good. I should be very grateful. I have the privilege of doing something that my mom was able to do for me. I also have the support from my husband and my brother to be able to be in this space to do it.

You’re talking about getting to do something. We have been talking about that concept over the last several episodes. Also, how do you keep your faith? Your mother has a disease that is progressive. How do you still stay grateful and then also remain rooted in your faith?

Remembering your why, as a part of talking to your fool self. A lot of that came into place. I would constantly have to remind myself of why. In the midst of the journal, especially around the time when we found out that my mom was ill, navigating this, and going further along through this, I realized something, as Ben and I would always discuss the legacy piece in regards to what we want to leave Grant. I’m like, “This is what I want to leave him. I want to leave him and his future family a real-time process of what it looks like.”

Oftentimes, when you see people, you see the end. People brush over the middle part. I wanted to document in real-time what these feelings were and what I was feeling, so that people know that when they get into these spaces, including my son and everybody else, it’s not strange. You can keep going. Those feelings that you’re having are normal. You can keep moving. Those were the things. It was being grateful, and understanding that in this gratefulness, and being able to look at everything that you’re dealing with, keep moving. In the motion, you never know where you wind up. You get better, and you stay more grateful. It allows you to continue.

My favorite expression of yours, or perhaps it’s your brother’s, is that it’s a reminder. It’s not always Six Flags. That messy middle is not always fun and games, but if you keep moving, then you continue to make progress and eventually move toward the light.

The Power Of Sacrifice: Understanding Loss And Growth

I also realized that when you are growing, that growth is connected to losses. I realized that during that phase. On any level, if you want to say, you know, “I want to lose weight,” or, “I want to do this,” in making that statement, you need to identify, “What am I willing to lose? What am I willing to sacrifice to put down so that I can get this outcome?”

I don’t want to give up anything, Sheia. I want it all. I want all the cake. I want everything.

 

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That’s why this is so important. Especially when you have kids or younger people in your family who surround you, they need to understand that in this world of instant success, in most cases, everything is a process. From the moment you say you want to do something to you getting to that outcome, there’s an in-between phase. Oftentimes, you don’t know what you have to deal with in that in-between phase until you get in there. Remembering your why and understanding that loss is a part of growth keeps you from feeling like you’re the victim in the situation.

Thank you for that. You talk about belief in yourself, and you give so many examples. You’re so vulnerable. Part of your story is being truly transparent in how you grew up, the dynamics of your family, and how that played a role in how you responded to life, the things that you did well in developing business, the things that you did badly, and failing in that business. You’re very transparent in how you felt about that. You were almost ashamed, but then later on, it’s the pride that you have.

There’s so much that you have to share in your story. I want to know what it looks like this season. You’re talking about many different seasons of your life in the book, but more importantly, in this season that you got the new diagnosis of your mom, trying to navigate that, but also believing that you have a new business that you want to get off the ground, and you don’t give up on it. What did it look like?

Oftentimes, it was so challenging. I was transparent in that book because I was writing down what I felt. You want to be there for your mom. I’m grateful to be able to be in this space. However, I did have dreams. We were planning to have these things and do these things on the other side personally. I struggled with that a lot, going back and forth, and feeling bad about it a lot of times. It was talking to my brother, and him reassuring me we’re doing the best that we can. It’s not wrong of you to have these things run in parallel. We’re multifaceted people. That’s why in the book, when I talked about not wanting my mom to come live with us, even though we had the space, that was something that I had to pray about.

I thought that was powerful, everything you had to say around that. I’ll let you finish. I have some thoughts.

I kept hearing a lot of things from people in regards to, “You have the space. She can be in your house.” My concern was that I wanted to still be a good wife. I want to still be a good mother. I want to do these other things in that order. I knew that there were a lot of people involved as well. It was about what the best possible care for this situation was for everybody involved.

Including yourself.

Exactly. Including myself.

I remember reading that there was a woman in your life who had some knowledge about taking care of an elder and someone with dementia. Sometimes, it’s that person who can give you some clarity. It’s being open to listening versus listening to everybody else that says, “You’ve got room. You can do this.” They don’t truly understand the entire picture of what that looks like for you.

It was my best friend’s mom. She was an integral part in helping me come to that decision. She’s also a nurse. She was like, “This disease is progressive. You do not have everything that you need to provide the care.” Oftentimes, people think that when you think about facilities, you think about leaving the person there. That wasn’t my thought process at all. I was there with my mother every day. I understood that when I needed to be a mother to Grant or I needed to be a wife, I needed that extra help so that her lapse in care wouldn’t be deflated because I’m trying to juggle too many things at one time.

I want to pull apart a few threads here. When we’re talking about elder care for someone who has dementia, which is an actual medical diagnosis, that requires special skills, special care, and professional care. Being the daughter, being Pooh, or being Sheia doesn’t necessarily equip you for that. Even as a medical professional, I wouldn’t be able to do that without 24-hour a day or 7 days a week help.

Unwavering Commitment: Faith Through The Process

I wanted to make certain that our audience understands that dementia as a diagnosis is not just having your family member come in and they’re completely self-sufficient. They’re going to help with the cooking, they’re going to pick up your child from after school, and all that. It is not that at all. Sheia, thanks for sharing that with us. You were committed to the process. On those hard days, how did you stay committed to the process?

It was my faith and constantly putting my why in front of me. I would constantly go over the journal. Benny and I would talk. My brother and I had meetings constantly. We were talking about remembering and keeping the main thing the main thing. What are you trying to achieve?

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I love that one more than the Six Flags.

That’s right. Some things are staples. They don’t go anywhere. These are true principles on how I live my life when I’m going through these types of things. I’m always trying to figure out why. I even talked about fasting in the book. I did that. That started with a shopping thing, and then it developed. There was a season where I was doing it in regard to the book as well.

What I had to do from fasting is that it simplifies things. It takes all the things off the boat, and what you have left is the real thing. It’s like when you’re sifting through stuff and you pour things through the sifter. All of the extra things come out, and you’re left with the important things. That’s what fasting does. It brings clarity. It allows you to be able to identify when you feel like you’re getting lost or when you’re in that fog, what the real thing is, so that you can get back on track or even stay on track.

Can you share with our audience what that fasting process looks like for you? I read about the shopping fasting, which I thought was a novel idea. It was a great idea. You’re also talking about fasting in terms of what we usually think of in terms of food. What does that process look like for you?

I’ll give you twofold in regards to fasting. I remember years ago, my very first one was a year fast from shopping because I could not identify why.

Sylvia, you have to close your ears.

Sheia and I have been having these conversations for years. I have my moments.

When I would tell myself I wasn’t going to do it, I still would find myself there. In talking to my fool self, I pondered and said, “Something is not right about that.”

It’s like, “Why are you here?”

I was like, “What’s going on? It’s got to be something deeper?” When you say you don’t want to do something, you should be able to not do it. I couldn’t pinpoint what the real issue was. I remember hearing a message from one of my bishops. He talked about it. At that time, I had food allergies. Food wasn’t a big deal at that time. I was like, “I’m going to zone in on this,” not realizing that it was going to lead me to a discovery of a lot of things that I had been dealing with in childhood and how I masked it, dealt with it, soothed it, or catered to it through shopping. I had no idea.

That’s fascinating how you brought that out and how you learned that through the process of the fast.

As time went on, and when I started to implement it in regard to going through the situation with my mother, it became more intense. When you deny yourself food, things get real. I have food allergies, but I like to eat the things that I like to eat. All these things that we tell ourselves about what we need and, a lot of times, want, you identify the things that are important, what you need, what you don’t have to have, and how you can survive without having certain things. It clears things up and simplifies things.

Tell us. How did you protect your piece while revisiting some of these harder truths that you’re discovering?

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When I was reading this, going through the evidence process, I said to myself, “If I knew that I was writing this for a book, I probably would not have been this transparent.” I said that, but I say that to say, when I think about where I am now, the legacy, when I’m instructed, and when I want to give back, and even when I stand before the learners, I truly connect to them when I’m most transparent. When they see certain things or see outcomes, if I don’t connect the story behind that, that’s what grips everybody.

With all the things that separate us, those are the things that connect us and allow us to say, “This is where I feel the same thing.” You can start to be able to grow from that when you see, “This person went through something. This wasn’t handed to them. They fought.” I call this book a mental template. I used my story, but I even say on the cover on the back, “Don’t get distracted by my story. Infuse your own story with this because we all feel these things when we’re going through a crisis or when we’re trying to get from one side to the next side.” These are the types of things that we struggle with and oftentimes never talk about.

The Art Of Protecting Your Peace: Self-Care And Reflection

Don’t get distracted. Sheia, I know that you walk. Sometimes, I have the privilege of walking with you, and we walk and talk. What ends up happening is maybe we walk 2.5 or 3 miles, sometimes 3.5 miles. I have to stop you because I’m like, “My knee hurts now. It has been a long time.” What are the other methods that you use to both protect your peace and also practice self-care?

Walking is one of the things. I can easily walk 2 and 3 hours at a time and not even feel it because it’s where I relax. I often tell my learners. They’re like, “Michelle, what are you listening to at home?” I’m like, “I don’t listen to music when I’m in the car. I don’t listen to anything because that’s the time when I’m with my thoughts and when I am debriefing everything, going through everything.

Quiet car.

When I’m walking, I have that time to meditate and to just be.

I find that in our society, when you talk to people, many do not take the time to value silence. Sometimes, it’s because when you’re silent, you do hear yourself. You have to confront true realities, good or bad. Some people are not equipped to do so. There’s value in the quiet times and exactly what you did in the journaling.

I probably cut you off in your caretaking in terms of how you take care of yourself, but the journal in and of itself has to be cathartic in terms of being able to get it all out. You also mentioned you’re going back, and you’re reading this, so it’s helpful in terms of guiding you. I did want to ask you this because you alluded to the fact that you continue to have faith through the process of you, your husband, your brother, and your business in terms of buying, rehabbing, and, I’m assuming, selling homes. I don’t know how you package that, but can you tell us a little bit more about what that looks like for you?

We do multifamily units. We have a unit, and then we have some land that we plan on developing as well. We’re structuring everything because my husband is near retirement. In 2026, he wants to retire. That’s a plan to purchase our homes and replace income. We have a set strategy of when he is coming out, when I’m coming out, when my brother is coming out, and how many homes it will take to do that.

That’s beautiful.

I love it. Sheia, where can people find The Process: Walking Through It When Reality Doesn’t Look Like the Dream?

It would be everywhere. It would be at Barnes and Noble, Target, Walmart, and all the places. It would be on Amazon as well. In all the places where you find books, it will be there.

By the time we have the taping for our audience, I know I’ve read it in the flip book.

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It’ll be online. I’m also having a book signing that’s coming up as well. I received information from the publishers about sending off the books. I’m waiting to get the number so that everything can be officially dated.

That’s beautiful. Congratulations.

I cannot wait. Thank you so much.

You girls are on the list to be there.

I would not miss it. I can’t wait to share it with our audience. We’ll share all the links.

Thank you so much. I appreciate everything.

We thank you so much for coming back and talking about your book, The Process: Walking Through It When Reality Doesn’t Look Like the Dream. We thank you for being a repeat and returning guest on the show.

I’m so honored.

We appreciate the support. You have supported us when we had our book, coming to our book signing here in Atlanta. You are truly a friend of the show. You are my sister from another mister. Thank you.

That’s right. I want to thank both of you guys for this opportunity to be on the show a second time. I love what you guys are doing. I love this show. It’s great. I showed it to my learners, and they love it. They were like, “Sheia, can we see it again?” I’m like, “Absolutely.” We do wellness. That was one of the things that we introduced to the class. I’m completely grateful.

I love that. Thank you so much. I can’t wait for everyone else to be able to get the insight that I got from reading your story, your messages, and your life lessons. I only see this being a medium that will help thousands, if not millions, of people. We’re appreciative.

Thank you so much.

Sheia, may you be well.

 

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Thank you so much. Bye.

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Post-Show Reflections: Unpacking The Wisdom Shared

Angela, that was a fantastic conversation with Sheia Grant Gibbs. There are so many of what I’m going to call Sheia-isms that I have been left with. Share with us some Sheia-isms that you were left with.

There were so many, and there were so many more in the book itself. There are a lot of books out there that are self-help, but this one, for me, was very relatable in terms of life in general. I don’t know that I would call it a Sheia-ism, but one that stuck out was when she started talking about running in parallel. I can talk about being a wife, a mother, a daughter with elder care, and my life as a physician, speaker, coach, and podcaster. All of those things are okay. They’re all running parallel.

That’s a wide highway.

It’s a big highway. Not quite eight lanes, but it’s a lot. It’s a matter of taking one step in front of each other and moving forward. Not every car in the lane is going to be traveling at the same speed. You can still navigate those pathways and be successful, but also not feel bad about maybe pushing one car further than the other at a particular time. Some people would say, “If your mom is ill, then that should be the only thing on your plate.”

That’s not all that you are.

What I took away from the book is that you shouldn’t feel bad about that either. In her case, certainly, she was making what we know to be a very appropriate and good decision in terms of taking care of her mom. I liked the visual of running parallel tracks. I liked the reminder to always remember your why. She writes quite a bit about waking up and either feeling depressed or down, and then coming back to the notion of remembering your why. It is so important. Lastly, she said that growth is connected to losses, but also, when you go through loss, on the other side is growth. I beg to differ. Not everybody grows from that.

How about that? Growth is intentional.

I don’t know if she talked about this or if it’s in her book, but she’ll be in a bath, going through the day, or what happened. She’s replaying it and then roleplaying how she would do it differently. If you do have a loss or a mistake, learn from that, but maybe roleplay, write it, or journal it. How would you do that differently? What did you learn from that, and what do you not want to do in the future? That’s a mouthful. I learned so much. How about you?

There are so many things. My favorite Sheia-ism is that she always reminds me that everything is a process. I can be impatient by nature. She’s like, “Remember the process. Don’t get distracted.” Don’t get distracted, whether it’s other people seeming to be further along on their journey and being distracted by other folks’ journey, not staying in my lane, if we use the highway analogy, and then also keeping the main thing the main thing. What’s important?

I’ve kept that one around.

I love it. Sheia Grant Gibbs is such an example of a brave woman sharing her bold stories and making big leaps. We are so grateful to have had her here on the show.

I cannot wait to see how things unfold. The trajectory is unlimited once her book is out, which should be right in time for our audience. It will be on all platforms. I can’t wait for her book signing. To our audience, hopefully, this episode will be inspiring to you. We know it certainly was for us. We are very grateful for you being along for the ride and taking the time to perhaps learn something for yourself that might elevate your day, your week, your month, or your year. We appreciate the likes. We appreciate the subscriptions on YouTube. Certainly, if you have any ideas or feedback, you can go to BossLeapPodcast.com. Until we meet again, may you be well.

May you be well.

 

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About Sheia Gibbs

Boss Leap - Dr. Sylvia Morris & Dr. Angela Walker | Sheia Gibbs | Messy MiddleSheia Gibbs is an amazing and insightful woman with life-changing advice based on her own life – and her momma’s rules! The wisdom that has been imparted to her over the years. Finding one’s hope again can be a difficult task when lost. It isn’t necessarily about what you know. It’s about how you behave – a retraining of thoughts. In this process walking through it – when reality doesn’t look like the dream. Wife of 27 years, mother to a son, author, and businesswoman leaving legacy shares a mental template on how to make better sense of one of life’s most important subjects.

 

 

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